defender of truth
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Need info on the 3 year elder rule.
by BU2B inso i have read that if an elder commited porneia (or other serious sin) while serving and it came to light years later, he would not necisarily be removed.
i mentioned this to my wife a while back, and she refused to believe it.
is this policy still in effect?
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Need info on the 3 year elder rule.
by BU2B inso i have read that if an elder commited porneia (or other serious sin) while serving and it came to light years later, he would not necisarily be removed.
i mentioned this to my wife a while back, and she refused to believe it.
is this policy still in effect?
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Poor Animals
by HeyThere inwow.
the bible really is something else.
i believe i am becoming athiest.
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defender of truth
Vidqun:"He hasn't taken anybody out of the situation, except Enoch and Elijah who were exceptions."
In Exodus, God delivered his people from inescapable slavery to the Egyptians, into a prosperous nation. He didn't just leave them to it.
Vidqun:"Well, at least I can prove my belief."
To back up this claim, can you start a thread and show, or at least highlight where we can find, the proof? -
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Poor Animals
by HeyThere inwow.
the bible really is something else.
i believe i am becoming athiest.
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defender of truth
Vidqun:"..criticizing Biblical sacrifice. And how many animals are we killing off every day for food?"
Yes, for food. Not for an invisible person that enjoys the sight of people burning animal corpses in His name.
Whether we should all live on vegetables is another topic. This topic concerns excessive and needless death that was not of any practical value, or necessary to feed your family.
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Vidqun:"How many are killed off by hunters?"
Hunting can be carried out for many reasons, but I'll assume you mean illegal poaching or killing merely for sport. Many people would agree that such hunting is wrong, and unnecessary to survival.
Gods morality should be higher than such wrong actions. Why did the God of the Bible require people to kill animals, who had done nothing wrong, merely to show that they were sorry for what they had done?
If a neighbour had offended or wronged you in some way, would you expect him to kill his dog and grill it on the front lawn to show he was sorry? Or would an apology and maybe a nice card suffice? -
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The Ravings of Trolls Distracts FOCUS From Real Watchtower Scandals
by cofty inmy thread was inspired by gentledawn's insightful comment about the effect the events in wales had on her jw husband.... hope any lurkers out there can filter out the signal (storys and experiences like this) to noise (the current trolls running amok on the forums) ratios.
this the problem with those who focus on outrageous fantasies about the watchtower.
it distracts from the real issues that need to be highlighted.. what happened in wales was for real.
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defender of truth
I shouldn't really have called him self-obsessed, that was uncalled for. I apologise.
This is where the Focus should be at the moment:
"Now, I address everyone.
That was then. Now is now, and help is needed.
I returned "here", after a gap of a dozen years, solely to find recruits in the second phase of the war (we won the first - domination of cyberspace), which is to hold the WTS legally (i.e. financially) accountable for her transgressions, the damage to the mental health and happiness of many millions (not just limited to members).
This might even kill her off..."
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/281308/1/A-precious-gift-to-all-from-Jehovah-channelled-via-Focus#.U7Sdy12t-o8 -
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A precious gift to all from Jehovah (channelled via Focus)
by Focus insome souls here may feel i was a little harsh.
if so, i am deeply sorry.
i was abused by a handful right from the start, presumably on the basis of the avatar picture (and 2001 vintage).. when visiting dubland, i often find that others start fights with me - for whatever reason, and i provide quite a supply of them - and when it doesn't quite go the way they expected, they cry persecution.
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defender of truth
1) " My competence at handling the media is adequate but many will be far, far better and I will be hampered by the need for anonymity. Twitter, Facebook and other "new" media skills are badly needed. "
.. Have you contacted AAWA? They may be able to help or at least coordinate with you in that area.
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Theists, why does God allow suffering..
by The Quiet One in..specifically, the suffering of animals.
you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.
i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.
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Saved JW?.. Theists?.. We await your answer.
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The Ravings of Trolls Distracts FOCUS From Real Watchtower Scandals
by cofty inmy thread was inspired by gentledawn's insightful comment about the effect the events in wales had on her jw husband.... hope any lurkers out there can filter out the signal (storys and experiences like this) to noise (the current trolls running amok on the forums) ratios.
this the problem with those who focus on outrageous fantasies about the watchtower.
it distracts from the real issues that need to be highlighted.. what happened in wales was for real.
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defender of truth
Focus wrote:
"FOOTNOTE
** Memory can play tricks. Having only just heard of the sad death of my dear colleague Farkel.. I've looked again at his posts, and saw he had recently claimed to have led the Exodus from H2O to here (as in, he was the first)
Doug was scrupulously honest, as I am, and I therefore know it must have slipped his mind that it was I who had joined and started posting on (what was then) JWD five weeks before he did, and had encouraged the bunch of others to follow me. H2O was busted.
The members' directory here confirms I'm right:
Focus Joined 2/6/2001
Farkel Joined 3/14/2001"
... Words almost fail me, but self obsession are two that come to mind. I've never read anything like that post before..
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/social/humour/281227/3/Watchtower-to-ban-PUSSIES-July-14-This-is-not-good#5045420 -
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The Ravings of Trolls Distracts FOCUS From Real Watchtower Scandals
by cofty inmy thread was inspired by gentledawn's insightful comment about the effect the events in wales had on her jw husband.... hope any lurkers out there can filter out the signal (storys and experiences like this) to noise (the current trolls running amok on the forums) ratios.
this the problem with those who focus on outrageous fantasies about the watchtower.
it distracts from the real issues that need to be highlighted.. what happened in wales was for real.
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defender of truth
Don't take Focus too seriously, would be my advice. His opinions on the intelligience, or lack thereof, of posters on JWN are as irrelevant as our opinion of him.
Anyway, you all know what happens when you keep feeding stray cats?...
Just leave the guy to waffle and stop feeding him posts to pick apart with his humongous intellect.
If anyone feels the urge to take him or his insults at all seriously, please take a look at the following thread.
He is talking to an old friend of his who posted to ask where he was, 9 years ago and then 8 years ago!! It wasn't anywhere close to the last thread that his friend posted on either, which would have at least made some sense.. and Unclebruce hasn't posted here for 4 months anyway!
I think we have a very nostalgic person here, longing for the old days and searching for a way to be relevant again. I could be wrong, but I'm just trying to have a little empathy for the old guy.. Not that he wants to generate any empathy ;)
(Read both pages of the thread.)
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/2671/1/Updated-list-of-Watchtower-RANKS-not-Classes#.U7QOuV2t-o8 -
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Theists, why does God allow suffering..
by The Quiet One in..specifically, the suffering of animals.
you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.
i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.
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defender of truth
"Post12of16
Joined2/2/2010
When I speak about suffering=bad I am speaking purely in philosophical terms."
Saved JW's not disagreeing, to be fair, he is being an evasive philosopher. Let's see if he/she is brave enough to give a direct reply to the question the thread poses..